Subject: God returns
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999
From: Richard

I thought this may be good enough to interest you. God has returned to someone who expected it no more than Mary
expected to be the mother of Jesus. It's just the way life is programmed. For 2000 years man has struggled, but this is
changing as the word is made flesh and God returns to his people. Total world peace is inevitable, and will lead to
heaven on earth. We just all need to wake up to the fact. I could explain a lot more, but just watching the television
with an open and godly mind will reveal just as much. Notice how the adverts change, as they reflect the power of
God.

God's peace be with you.

Richard

I shall make sure to watch the news...

Subject: radio interview
Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999
From: 650NTR

Hello

My name is Morag Macpherson at News Talk Radio in Saskatoon, Saskatchewan. I'm looking for an atheist to join us on our talk show tomorrow morning (Thursday, October 7) at just past 10:30 in the morning (mountain time). Our host John Gormley came across something which basically claims that religion is for weak-minded people. We're wanting to talk about atheism on the show in the morning. I can be reached at (306) 477-9294 and I look forward to hearing from you.

E. Morag Macpherson
News Talk Radio
Saskatoon, SK.

I get invited on radio/TV shows quite a bit. I always politely decline, due to being terribly shy.

From: Bob Ernest

To Atheist WebSite,

I have been looking at your site and the responses to why people have become atheist. To tell you the truth 99% of the reasoning that these people use to decipher the existence of God is very interesting, to say the least. I battled the same questions that all of these people battled. I really wanted a answer, proof of God. There will be no proof. I have come to the conclusion just by reading books that there is a God. The concept that evolution/big bang theory started it all is bogus. I could give hundreds of reasons for my conclusion, yet time and space do not permit. My faith in God is not on trial nor can a website persuade me. Here are just a few reasons.

In order for the big bang theory to be possible the following facts must be weighed. This big bang explosion occurs without life. (no one or nothing could survive) We all know that oxygen is needed to live. (SEE BELOW OXYGEN) not only for humans but also insects, fish, vegetation. etc... If anyone thinks that a big bang explosion would result in oxygen being present is wrong. We all have learned that those trees you see, produce oxygen. Without this vegetation the earth would have burned to a crisp. No ozone layer would have or could have been present without this vegetation. Life could not of started due to the fact that the earth would of been so out of balance that any life form would not stand a chance. From what I have read on this site "balance" seems very important.

As for the evolution theories; science has lied over and over about their "discoveries". An example of this is the supposed man found in Nebraska. This entire man was created with a mate no less and considered to be the missing link or a missing link. What is funny about this is it was all based on the findings of a single tooth. That's right, one tooth. What is even funnier is that several years later, scientist discovered another identical tooth. The only problem with this second tooth is that is was connected to a wild pig skull. The science books are full of people doing there best to prove something that just is not true. We have no missing links, we have found no links that prove evolution. We all know some species have become extinct. Could it be that these very small fragments could have been from an extinct ape? Your probably thinking "there is no conclusive evidence to prove this". Exactly, yet so many people are accepting science as the straight and narrow truth without so much as a questions. If all we read was Time magazines spin on things, we would all be confused. I will not get into the media's agenda.

The more we learn about living cells the more obvious it is that life was created. Darwin and his contemporaries thought that cells were just blobs of protoplasm. The intricate molecular biochemical cells in our bodies perform amazing functions such as vision, blood clotting, digestion etc... This seems so far fetched to think that all of this was done by a random process. Even scientist who reject creation see that evolution is impossible. One area that evolution it seems cannot surmount is the complexity of the biochemical design. At the molecular level, random mutation would have had to have billions of exact adaptations or favorable adaptations...all in a specific way...all at once.

Lets talk about the development of protein chains (DNA, RNA)

The exact amino acids must be correct orientation

LIFE SPECIFIC amino acids sorted, incorrect ones rejected

Correct amino acids bonded into short chains

Hundreds of short chains bonded to specific lengths

Chains with sensible order/instructions selected.

The scientist Harold Morowitz estimated this probability of these steps occurring for just the simplest living cell. And remember this is just ONE cell, this has to be performed billions of time to make a human. 1 in 10(100,000,000,000). This is like winning the lottery 1.4 million consecutive times.

What about DNA To produce DNA a DNA chain must be made up of hundreds of pure left handed amino acids, which must be capable of bonding to a different chain of pure right handed nucleotides which are protein enzymes. A single error makes it useless. Yet every attempt to produce amino acids always results in equal proportions of right/left kinds. So random selection of right handed ones is virtually impossible. No method has yet been found to achieve this.

OXYGEN Random development of of a DNA molecule would be impossible even is the earth were perfect. Yet conditions were and are far from perfect to achieve this. Oxygen destroys the chemical building blocks of life in land and water. Some evolutionist then said that the earth was oxygen free(???) How they dechipered this mystery is interesting. However for the sake of argument we will except this crap. No oxygen = no ozone layer. UV radiation would have been at extreme levels. ALL DNA and RNA bonds would be destroyed.

WATER Everytime a nucleotide is added in the construction of a molecule of DNA, a molecule of water is released. The process is reversible. In chemistry, a reaction will not naturally proceed in a direction that produces already in abundance. Because water is produced, it would be impossible for DNA to form in water.

Tar is the major BI-product(By Far) in all experiments producing simple amino acids. Tar would be deadly to to proper functioning of DNA/RNA

Now imagine if a computer randomly typed letters and spaces on a page. How long would it take to produce ONE page accurately describing someone? All words must be spelled correctly. Sentences must be complete and grammar perfect. This would take a long long long long time even at a page a second. Now in addition to this each letter has a 50% chance of being upside down. One upside down letter and the entire page is destroyed. At 1 page a second, it would take more than 10 billion years just to get a page where all the letters are upright. This is an example of random events. Now to produce a single DNA molecule we need 500,000 pages.

I could go on and discuss general relativity, entropy,thermodynamics etc... even dinosaurs. My point is we (including myself) are ignorant about those things we hold dear to our hearts. Your intelligence (or lack of) can destroy you. You think you have it all figured out when you really do not. The conclusion to all of this would be the probability of a evolution start is:

10<17>(TIME) X 10<84>(Particles) X 10<20>(events/seconds) = 10<121> TOTAL EVENTS

The total number of events required to produce a single living reproductive cell = 10<100,000,000,000>

probability = 10<121> = 1 = 0

10<100,000,000,000> 10<99,999,999,879>

The conclusion of yours and my knowledge base versus that of complete understanding of the universe...
about the same.

So where did you come from? who or what made you? You don't know? GOD

DO NOT go by what other so called Christians do. One of your letters stated that he knew more about the religion than those that claimed to be Christians. 75% of confessing Christians have there heads in the sand. I had the same questions other people had. How can Christians accept slavery, racism etc... That is a easy question they are not true Christians. I could go to church every Sunday, read my bible, and do all the good things that Christians are supposed to do. Yet if I do not follow God's law, have true love in my heart and try to be like Christ then I am like the Pharisee's in Jesus time. On the outside they were religious, yet on the inside they were liars, thieves etc... More Christians are like this than are not. It is sad to say. If I would have ran into some of the "so Called"Christians that you people have ran into, more difficulties would be on the fire. It is quite amusing that this person who operates this site has so much time to discuss the non existence of something that you claim does not exist. Why even discuss this then? Why not have a site about mermaids? This tells me that you still are not convinced. Or either you need to get a hobby. God will
not come to you, you have to come to God. He will then prove his existence. Sounds crazy but true. In fact, that statement sounds much more believable than the statements found on this site. The only way to God is through reading the Bible. When I first started reading the Bible it made no sense at all. Yet Jesus said ask for the truth, knowledge and understanding and it will be given in abundance. So I did and I now understand, wow do I understand.

I'm sure some are saying this guy is just rambling on, well I am not the first on this site, nor will I be the last. The Bible is very easy to understand, with help from God, who will assist those that ask. A good book to read is a book called "the Case For Christ" by Lee Strobel. Lee Strobel WAS a atheist trying to prove that Jesus Christ and God were bogus fairy tales. Very interesting book.

God is not going to speak to you audibly, God is not going to make his presence known to you. How can you say the existence of something is determined by what your mind has collected. It is not only your mind but also your heart, your gut feeling. When you know you know you know. Do you believe in DNA? Do you believe it exist? have you ever seen DNA in a lab? Or are you going by what a scientist says. Was George Washington the first president? how do you know? Just because a bunch of guys wrote it in a book does that make it true? Maybe it was a scam, maybe someone else was president and ol George just looked good. Did we really land on the moon? Were you there? Oh?! you saw it on TV; then it must be true. The list could go on.

I realize that I am considered a enemy of this site and the visitor's to this site. I also know that this will probably not be put on this site. Which does not surprise me if it is not. Humans by nature avoid confrontations. So I understand. I also understand that some of these statements could possibly put a kink in someone's armor. If it does make it to this site then thank you for letting me voice my opinion. I am not trying to be mean, nor am I trying to convince you of God. I am simply trying to prove that your atheist views do not jive with what information is out there be it Christian or not. You are believing in not believing in something you know very little about.

I agree that if you watch most so called Christians; they are very capable of making anyone question God. This is very sad. In the Bible Jesus said "Not everyone who says "Lord, Lord will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. many will say on that day; Lord, Lord did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name cast out demons, and in your name perform many miracles? And then I will declare to them, Depart from me, I never knew you." So you see not everyone who confesses to be a Christian is really a true Christian. A true Christian should know and understand the meaning of this. So please,do not follow man's ways before you fully understand your options and investigate fully. Everyone seems to be so quick to judge the Bible as a bunch of lies when what you accept as truth could in fact be the lie. I suggest thinking a little bit more openly to all possibilities before making any decisions. I did, I have not always been a Christian. I went through the same things you all have been through. I just went the other way. And my opinion is another option... God exists. He just does not fit alot of peoples concepts or ideas about what God is really like, or supposed to be like, or should be like. The only way to know about something is to investigate and read. And if you do read the Bible you will find God.

Bob Ernest

willimag@triadntr.net

Subject: Thanks for proving the validity of scripture for me
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999
From: "Mullins, Jason W"

Hello,
It is painfully transparent that your Atheism, despite your many attempts to deny it, is born out of a hatred for the Bible, and the suggestion that you have a responsibility to a higher power. You, and your rebellious beliefs, are a fulfillment of Bible prophecy.
Jason - Seattle

Wow! I've fulfilled a Bible prophecy - do you think I'll get a badge? Why do so many people equate disagreement with hatred?

Subject: I have never laughed so hard
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999
From: LaZBean

That Noah's Ark bit was the best. I love showing these things to religious fanatics. I can't wait for a JW to come to my door. Do you have anymore similar to Noah's Ark. How about the tower of Babylon?

Subject: Atheism
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999
From: simon

Greetings.

I wonder what your 'proof' of the non-existence of a deity is.

The reason I ask is that as a UK bod growing up in as you describe a 'Christian' country, I could see obvious flaws and contradictions in the actions and statements of entities such as churches and the Bible. On the otherhand this did not lead me to conclude that there was no God - only that the Church(es) could not be representing a possible deity. I simply took the attitude that I did not know, and was awaiting further information.

I am admittedly the sort of person who, if he saw a black sheep in Scotland, would only admit 'that I have seen at least one sheep in Scotland, of which at least one side is black.' And thus if you show me 1000 pieces of 'evidence' why you do not think there is a deity, I would reject this as a 'proof' on the same grounds that showing me 1000 black crows would not prove the statement 'All crows are black' - unless you could concurrently prove 'only 1000 crows exist'!. Is your position not more truly represented as 'it is (extremely?) unlikely there is a deity in my opinion.' To me my position was just one of honesty (to myself).

Simon

Subject: your atheist page
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000
From: Bethanie Morrissey

Dear Adrian,

You say that atheists don't hate Christians. I am the proof that you are wrong. I hate them. I hate them up and down and round again. I hate them because I was raised by them. They raised me with a head full of terrors, they tried to smother my intellect with threats of angels with flaming swords, and devils breathing fire. All through my childhood I was plagued with frightening nightmares in which The Beast was chasing me through the streets, my friends were being marked for damnation, people were being nailed screaming to crosses, and Hell loomed.

By the age of eight I could see that the whole story was nonsense. I remember looking up at the cross and realizing suddenly that the only reason it was glowing was because there were florescent lights behind it. But as soon as I became aware of where my mind was leading, I was terrified. And that is the answer to Pascal's question "What have you got to lose?"

You have the sanctity of your mind, your faith in your own reason, your right to believe that you are a good and pure thing and no disgusting human sacrifice was necessary to render you so. You have everything to lose: self-esteem, a fearless life, the right to critical thinking, a decent sex life (!)

I don't even understand why, now, looking back, why was it all necessary? To teach me decency? Hardly! As a child, I wouldn't step on a bug, and they were feeding me stories about Abraham getting ready to sacrifice Isaac, and killing a goat instead. I cried for the goat.

To teach me compassion? Hardly! When my mother told me that homosexuals were men who loved other men, and they would go to hell, I said, "But you can't help who you love!" I was nine. Already at nine I was wiser than most adults.

They say religion answers questions. No it doesn't. I have no real questions, the world makes perfect sense to me just as it is! Why are there famines? Cause it hasn't rained! Why did grandma have to die? Her arteries were clogged! Why are there wars? Territory disputes and resource distribution! Only when you try to reconcile it with a compassionate father figure who oversees everything does it turn into a sickening mess.

I didn't become an atheist right away... I did it in stages. First I decided that I would just have to deal with going to Hell because I hated God, hated Jesus, hated the church and everyone in it, hated the Bible for all it's sickening brutality, hated all of it. You can imagine my emotional state when, at 14, I realized that if there was a Hell I would really have no choice but to go. It took many years for me to shake the brainwashing, the cruel, relentless, evil psychological trauma of religion. I am still fighting it, and I resent, resent deeply, that some institution tried to hobble my brain to further their own causes and force their world view on me.

So be careful when you say atheists don't hate Christians. I do. I hate 'em. Hate 'em bad. I hope they all go to... shit, I don't even have any place satisfactory to send them. I hope they all go to Calcutta.

Bethanie

Subject: Atheism
Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000
From: Helen Florida Fichtel

Hello!

I came across your page quite by accident, but found it very intersting. I read some of the "why I became an atheist" e-mails people had sent you, and I was really surprised that so many people encountered such negative reactions when they realised they did not believe in God.

I suppose I have been lucky in that I was brought up, in England, without any faith or religion. My parents did not feel it was necessary to impose any religious belief in me or my sister. At school I took part in Religious Studies and was always able to express my views and opinions, although they obvously differed greatly from those of my teacher and many of the class. I never felt persecuted, immoral or wrong.

I find it a shame that so many atheists are always eager to state that they respect other people's right to believe in God and follow a religion, when we so rarely encounter such "live and let live" attitudes amoung believers.

I myself do not believe in religion just as strongly as I do not believe in God, and have little respect for those who do (particularly as most of the believers I've questioned have such a hard time answering even the most basic questions about their beliefs - as you say, a lot of it is just a matter of habit).

I look forward to reading more on your page.

Florida

Subject: Cramping Hand- Send Medical Assistance
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000
From: Tom Pique

Read further if you REALLY want to know. If you don't,
and you just want an arguement, discard this email...

Adrian,
Normally I don't argue points of Christianity with
atheists. I find it tiresome and pointless. My uncle
is a devout atheist and I've heard his excuses and
unfounded rhetoric my entire life, so to argue with
you over the truth of God's word is ridiculous. For
instance, when you write back to me you probably won't
capitalize the name of God simply because you think it
will strike up some accusatory hatred in me. Frankly,
I don't care. Those types of adolesent schoolyard
tactics don't work on me. I've been a Christian my
entire life and have heard every single
atheistic,evolutionary argument imaginable, all of
which are unsubstantiated by proof. If you WANT to
believe you're a chimp, fine....your a chimp.
Personally, I'm a little more intelligent than a
chimp. So, If you want to be addressed as Napolean,
fine....you're Napolean. If you want to be addressed
as Rebbecca of Sunnybrook Farm, then fine...nice to
meet you Becky. I don't really care. It's all
immaterial.

However, every once in a while I like to hone my
knowledge and explain logically and intelligently the
word of God so that at the very least, you'll be
without excuse on the day all this is brought back to
your rememberence.

First and foremost, you have to understand that what
I'm about to say, you can't possibly understand or
comprehend because you live a life that is contrary to
God's word. You don't have His spirit living inside of
you and you completely deny everything He can say and
wants to say to you. So anything I try to say to you,
even if I physically stand in front of you and grab
your hand and place it directly into the hand of
Christ, you still wouldn't believe it. Your whole
lifestyle centers around denial. The only result that
will come of the following explanations will be
disagreement and argumentitivism. You should know,
first though, that your God needs no defense. He is
your God and Saviour and can defend Himself perfectly
fine by Himself.

In law the burdon of proof is on the prosecution to
prove "beyond a shadow of a doubt" that the defendant
is guilty. You are the prosecutor. You say there is no
God. Prove it. I need not prove it because I KNOW He's
real. Why? He lives inside me. He's revealed to me
thousands of times His presence. I have accepted Him
as He said I should in order that I may see His truth.
(John 16:13)

This is not going to turn into an email war. Like I
said, I grow tired of arguing the Truth to those who
already know it, but choose to deny it. If I were to
dig into every atheist's past I would more than likely
find something albeit ever so subtle that has caused
them to accept the lies of athiesm. No, maybe not
physical or mental abuse from struggling parents, but
someone somewhere said something that "turned them
off" to Christianity forever. My father (my uncle's
brother) caused me to doubt my faith early on in life
although I had spent most of my time searching the
scriptures and studying them. However, through God's
manifestations in my life, (spiritual, not physical) I
knew that their frame of mind was flawed. You see, to
have questions and doubts is fine, there's nothing
wrong with that, but when the truth is presented
coherently and practically so that all can see it, to
deny it then is stupidity.

That is what my uncle struggles with- simple denial.
It's his "religion" against mine. Afterall, religion
is defined as: a cause, principle, or system of
beliefs held to with ardor and faith, (Websters Ninth
New Collegiate Dictionary, 1989). It is usually tagged
onto the Christian beleif system, but somehow
overlooked when associated with atheistic beliefs.

Be that as it may, I hope you like reading because
this is going to be a long one. I'm going to go
through as simply as I can the points you bring up on
your webpage. I will not correspond after this email,
because, I refuse to get into an email war, and right
now my fingers are already starting to cramp. OW WEE!
Again, I don't expect a resolution to be reached here,
only accountability, because at some point in the
future, when you pass from this life to the next, you
will be brought back to the memory of these words.
__________________________________

1.How was this a selfless sacrifice? He was marched up
the hill by a bunch of heavily armed centurions. Was
he really saying things like "No, it's okay, I want to
do this. It's part of The Plan, you see."? (It has to
be said that many human sacrifices do willingly go to
their deaths, sure in the belief that they are doing
it for the good of their people, and that their deity
don't usually magically manipulate events to ensure
that it happens, however...)

(John 15:13) How was the crucifixition a selfless act?
Well, I've been around for a good 29 years and no one
has ever offered to take any punishment on his
shoulders for me, ever. No one has ever said, "So, you
got a $200.00 speeding ticket, huh? Mind if I pay that
for you? I'm feeling kind of 'giving' today." No one
has ever taken a spanking for me when I was a child
for lieing or cheating or stealing, and no one ever
took my place whenever I was pulled over by the
highway patrol and arrested for having outstanding
warrents against me, (all in my past, of course).
There's not one single person in this world that stood
up to say,"Tom, I'll take that punishment for you." No
one has and ever would. Why should they? What do they
have to gain from punishment owed me? Nothing, of
course.

Jesus Christ, however, died for my sin. Not sent to
jail, not slapped on the hand with a ruler, but died.
How precious is your life to you? How much do you
value waking up every morning to the singing of birds
and the sun peering through your window? Why would
Jesus not want the same for Himself, unless His
mission in life was one that was devinely appointed
and selflessly accepted.

Anyone who's not a liar, would not accept death for
someone else's lawlessness. I know I wouldn't. No way.
I too live by the philosophy, you live by the sword
you die by the sword.

But Jesus was different. He was selfless. At any
moment during the execution process He could have
changed His mind and recanted, but He didn't. Any one
of us would have cried out like a baby at the mere
beating He received with the whip, the cat of nine
tails. One strike of the whip, one rake from the glass
and stone shards at the ends of the whip, and we
would've screamed out,"STOP, STOP, I give up!" But
Jesus didn't. Why? Was He a lunatic? A madman? Did He
have a death wish, or was He who He claimed to be, and
couldn't deny that Truth?

His selflessness came long before He marched to His
death. It came the moment He accepted the will of God
to take on Himself the sin of the world. Even in the
Garden of Gethsemene, when He prayed to God right
before His arrest, He asked God to "take this cup from
me..." He was a human being. He didn't want to die. He
was afraid of dieing, however, what He said next, no
one else except Him would have ever said. He said
"...but not my will [God] but thine will be done."

At that moment He made the choice. His choice was
either to deny God's will for Him, which was to accept
the sin of the world on HIS shoulders, or accept the
bitter cup that was placed before Him and go to His
death.

You and I would've quickly said, "God, I love you
and everything, but I'm outa here!" The fact is, we
know nothing of selflessness and sacrifice. We gloat
as if we do, but actually when the real test comes, we
cower like whining babies.
_____________________________________

2.Maybe it somehow was a selfless sacrifice. In this
case, why was it necessary for Jesus to be killed
by the state? Why not just say to his disciples "Well
guys, it's time to say Goodbye." and throw himself
under the nearest chariot? Death is death. Did the
manner in which Christ died actually make any
difference?

This was actually pretty funny, man.

2000 years!! It's been 2000 years since Jesus walked
the Earth and the Bible has been printed more times
than any other book in history. That's not so
ridiculous a reality when it is God's will that all
the gospel be preached into the whole world and that
it's His desire that every man should know Him. It is
not so strange that Jesus Christ has made more of an
impact on mankind than any other figure in history
when we understand that that is God's will. It was
intentioned that way. Christians may have spread the
Gospel, but the fact that it reached its destination
was God's will.

It is even being preached secretly behind closed
doors in China right now where the mere admission of
the name of Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour is
outlawed. To accept Christ in China is to take your
life into your own hands. People are being drug from
their homes and tortured and murdered for their faith.
Why? Because the name of Jesus Christ has power and is
a direct threat to the kingdom of darkness.

Most people when asked the significance of
Pocohantas on American History are clueless, but when
asked about Jesus Christ know immediately who and what
His significance is. Even you have a general knowledge
of the Bible and the significance of it.

Jesus didn't merely "throw Himself in front of a
speeding chariot" because, a) that's silly, b) it
would've completely defeated His purpose, and c) He
wasn't insane.

He came specifically to die for our sins. (Sometimes
Christians say He came to die on the cross). He didn't
come to die on the cross, He came to redeem us of our
sins. His death on the cross was just a means by which
that end was fulfilled.
_______________________________________

3.It has never been adequately explained how this
death freed us all from sin. If the death freed us
from the consequences of sin (hell, or eternal
oblivion), it is still unclear as to why it had to
happen in this particular way. Why didn't God just
sort it all out during Creation?)

At the beginning of creation man decided he was
"running thangs" and chose to disobey God. Man's
"choice" (a word we hear alot of these days) resulted
in what is called the "fall"- when Adam and Eve
disobeyed God's command not to partake of The Tree of
The Knowledge of Good and Evil, well, they did anyway
and sin was born out of that act of disobedience.
Simply stated sin,is disobedience to God.
Disobeying God comes by not following His Word, the
Bible or His explicit direction led by His Holy
Spirit.

The fact is, God is the Creator of all things and
should be obeyed.

"You are worthy, our Lord and God, to receive glory
and honor and power, for You created all things, and
by Your will they were created and have their being"
(Revelation 4:11).

Even more important, God is Himself the standard of
what is right. Sin causes spiritual separation from
God and physical death. Separation occurred because
God is perfect and pure and the sin that Adam and Eve
committed created a spiritual casm that separated them
from God's perfection.

His purity cannot dwell with sinfulness, and His
justice cannot allow it to go unpunished. As a result
of sin, the natural world, perfect until the "fall"
was also cursed and began to die. The ground became
less fertile and food became scarce. Man had to work
harder to harvest much less. Mankind would also
realize the effect that sin would have on human
relationships, leading to cruelty, murder, lust and
causing disharmony within the family.

Mankind continues to sin, living in rebellion against
God, the Creator. This is why the world is filled with
suffering today. Man MUST take responsibility for
destroying the perfection of God's creation. Because
of our sinfulness, man cannot know and experience
God's love and fellowship, no matter how hard he may
try to reach God on his own through good deeds,
religious rituals or philosophies.

"For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of
God" (Romans 3:23).

_______________________________________

4.If Jesus is God, then how do we know he really
suffered? Is it possible to inflict physical pain on
an immortal, omnipotent entity? (see Suffering below)
Maybe he was just faking it for the crowd...

This question has a sort of sci-fi, hollywood, heir
about it. The problem is that God is viewed through
the eyes of a Star Trek, X-files, Highlander-type
mentality. It's no wonder so many reject Christianity.
To be an immortal in control of the forces of the
universe is so much more appealing than being
accountable and considered sinful before a caring,
compassionate God. LEAVE IT TO HOLLYWOOD.

The truth is God came to Earth AS A MAN- Jesus, and
died on the cross. What point would it serve to come
to Earth as God and not as an equal to the others
around Him. The point was to come to Earth to live a
perfect life as an equal to you and me and then die
accepting the sin of the world on His own shoulders.
We have no excuse for sin because He lived a sinless
life. He did it right, and the only One who did. He
proved that it can be done!

Jesus felt pain, emotion, grief, suffered with the
chicken pox, measales, the common cold, aching
insteps, back pain, and even had headaches. He felt
love, hurt, joy, peace, even death and was tempted by
everything we are today, because he was human.
______________________________________

5.If Jesus is God, then how was it a sacrifice? He
only had to spend a few days dead, then it was back
home to Heaven (and he knew all this beforehand, being
omniscient). A few days in the underworld can hardly
have been a big deal for an eternal, omnipotent deity,
can it?

All that you're saying is being said jestfully, but
I don't think you quite understand the significance of
everything that happened. His going to hell wasn't
just a vacation trip to Maui. He went to hell, walked
up to Satan's throne, past every sniveling coward of a
demon around him, looked him dead in the eye and
snatched the keys of hell from his hand. HE DEFEATED
DEATH and hell by rising on the third day. He punked
Satan out in his own house and snatched his toys from
him and then dared him to say something. What did you
do at work today?
____________________________________

7.If Jesus willingly went to the cross, was it then a
suicide? Isn't suicide a Big Bad Sin? There seems
to be a very fine line between sacrificing yourself
and committing suicide... (Of course, in Jesus' case,
he sacrificied himself to himself, just to confuse
matters further).

How can it be a suicide if He was dying for someone
else? It was a sacrifice. He opened Himself up for any
and all ridicule and punishment. If they would've
thrown him off a cliff instead we'd be sitting here
debating why they threw Him off a cliff and didn't
crucify Him.

He didn't sacrifice Himself for God, but for you and
I. He didn't die out of grief for an exgirlfriend or a
stock market crash, He did it to accept the wages of
sin on Himself for you and me.

God the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are
separate but one. Each form a symbiotic relationship
with the other. The cycle of redemption is incomplete
if one leaves the circle. For instance, without God
there's no universe and no attainable perfection, He
holds the very fiber of everything together. Without
Jesus, there's no redemption from sin, without the
Holy Spirit there's no calling on your life to accept
Jesus. Each has separate roles, but the same goal and
all work as one.
_______________________________________

8.Why didn't he stay dead? Not much of a sacrifice if
you spring back to life a few days later, is it
(especially if that was your intention right from the
start)?

Again, you're not seeing the big picture with this
question. To fulfill the covenant of God, i.e. die for
the sin of mankind He had to die and rise. This act
defeated death and sin (spiritually). Sin is still
here, and death is still here, but it can be overcome
through redemption by accepting Jesus.
________________________________________

9.If Jesus had it all planned from the start (if you
believe in the older prophecies), then it certainly
was
not a sacrifice. He must have used his God-Magic to
manipulate events and ensure that the crucifixion
occurred. This would include making Judas betray him.

Some believe that God exists outside our dimension
of time. Einstein discovered that there were many
diminsions only a few of which we know of. It is
"theorized" (and don't quote me on this, because this
isn't biblically founded) that God exists in a
parallel diminsion that is absent of what we consider
"time." His diminsion is "timeless," i.e. time does
not exist. In His dimension God is able to slide back
and forth along parellel to our timeline allowing Him
the ability to see past, present and future. He is
omnipresent, omnipotent, and omniscient. He knows all,
because He has the ability to see all.

Now this isn't proven and there's really no way TO
prove it, but it makes since. For Him to know all, He
would have to have the ability to not "predict" the
future, but to know it. (If this sparks interest, go
to any Christian book store to the apologetics section
and read all you want). As the X-files says: The truth
is out there. ooooohhhhh....
________________________________________

10.Why is Judas so reviled? If he acted with Jesus'
blessing, or even under coercion from Jesus, why
is he portrayed as a bad person? Either way, he helped
the crucifixion take place, so surely christians
should admire him. Without Judas they might not have
been Saved, or Jesus might have lived a lot longer and
they'd have a much less impressive ornament to hang
round their necks as a symbol of his death. A runaway
horse maybe, or a slippery banana-skin or perhaps a
poorly cooked chicken leg.

Judas didn't HAVE to do what he did. He made a
choice, just as Adam and Eve did. He could choose
betrayal or he could choose loyalty. He too chose
wrong. The Bible said Satan entered into him.

The one thing many nonchristians don't understand is
that there are two forces at work here. One of good
and godliness, and the other of evil and sin. There is
a real deceiver out there and he wants your soul, and
he doesn't care how he gets it. The easiest way is
greed and deception. Judas betrayed Jesus due to greed
and Satan's deception.

If you remember, the ones who wanted Jesus killed
were the "religious elite." Jesus was a friend to most
common people. It was the "religious" of that time
that wanted him dead. They thought He was preaching
heresy.

It's strange how even today, a man that's been dead
for over 2000 years and conjurs up so many hateful
feelings is the only one that can deliver them from
that hatefulness. His intensions were sacrificial and
He gave it all, alot more than you or I ever would,
even at gunpoint, yet He is still hated and detested.

This is the uncompromising proof of heaven and hell,
God and Satan, good and evil, truth and deception.
Satan doesn't want you to know the truth of God's
love. He wants your soul, and he will do whatever it
takes to obtain it even if it is to convince you of
the ultimate deception- Jesus didn't exist....

Admitedly, it's pure genius. Why waste so much
effort tempting someone into internet pornography, or
adulturous infidelity or drug addiction and
alcoholism? Just simply convince them there is no God!
It is a truly gifted plan.

That explains why when someone gives there life
totaly over to Christ they feel the weight of the
world lift off their shoulders and a peace come over
them. They start to see things as they truly are. You
see, Adrian, it all makes perfect sense to Christians.
God allows us to see Satan's lies, Satan can't and
won't allow it at any cost. He hates what God wants,
and you're exactly what God wants.
_______________________________________

1.Why didn't Jesus let the disciples in on the big
secret beforehand?

It's all part of the process of learning. Jesus
could've talked until He was blue in the face, but the
disciples wouldn't have understood a word He said. He
had to show them, because just like you they refused
to beleive it even when it was happening right before
their very eyes....

"Blessed is he who has not seen and still believes..."
John 20:29

________________________________________

God loves you man. Regardless of what anybody has
said to you before. He cares about you more than I
ever could. All I know man, is that He pulled me out
of the pit of dispair, suicidal thoughts, depression
and pornography and bitterness and He redeemed me. He
turned me around unlike I ever have before. That's not
something you can explain scientifically or logically.
I don't know exactly how He does everything, it's
impossible to know, but all I know is, is that He is
who and what He says He is. He is real, man.

You know, sometimes Christians can be real
boneheads, I admit. They're so judgemental when most
of them are living closeted sinful lives. When you
become a Christian you're suppose to kill all that
junk you were living with before. Alot of Christians
though, still live in it and it's reflected in their
witness to others. But let me say, not all of us are
like that man. Most of us, live what we preach. I
don't watch tv anymore because of all the violence and
sexual garbage on there (except sports, gotta have
Sportcenter). I don't go to movies that much anymore.
I don't drink, smoke, or toke anymore. I gave it up
because I found something more fulfilling and
longlasting. I live by what I preach. I'm not perfect,
only Jesus was when He was on Earth, but I try my best
to keep myself holy and pure in God's eyes. That means
everything to me.

Dude don't sweat those Christians that taunt you,
they get frustrated because they're trying to
"convert" you. It's not our job as Christians to
"convert." It's our job to "tell." That's it!! Once we
tell you the truth it's your choice to accept or deny.
Once I tell you, my job here is done. God takes care
of the rest.

You don't need me to pray with you, all you need is
to kneel, close your eyes and spill it all out to Him.
I swear to you as sure as my hands are cramping now,
God will change that heart and reveal to you all the
answers to all those questions spinning around in your
brain right now. I gurantee it!

If you do pray, do yourself a favor, get hooked up
with a GOOD Spirit filled church, and not one of those
dead, go nowhere, bingo-playin, organ grinding
churches. Join a church where the moment you walk in
the door you feel the power of God come down all over
you.That's where it's at man.

Good luck to you bro and God Bless.

Peace,

Tom

P.S. I'M NOT WRITING BACK except if you're seriously
wanting answers. I refuse to debate!!!! So if you have
anymore questions about Christianity go here:
http://www.christiananswers.net/

Subject: Thou shall get a life Adrian
Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000
From: Travis Alderman

I don't have to condemn you ol boy...you are condemning yourself. So I'll simply say you are wrong and hope you'll believe it. And if people have been feeding you circular logic, then you should check out the book of Matthew, or anything Jesus says for that matter. No "circular logic" there...

Bye.

Subject: like your site and keep it up
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000
From: "Jim Black"

relgious people classife me as atheist, im atheist but im myself and nothing more nothing less. god is an idea,, beacause there are so many relgions and so many gods,which means there all ideas, beauty is in the eyes of the beholder, and so is god. i hate when people say the god, they mean a god or there god,, god is not defined, hell and heaven doesn't exist, its a state of being, a figure of speech and it describes a feeling, but feelings are not defined either,, relgion leads to hate and violence. NO HUMANS NO THOUGHT PROCESS NO GOD. Well i like what your doing and what your site is about and i think there needs to be a symbol of atheism. i like the words in the circle , but needs a symbol of freedom of relgion.in it or something .

Subject: Atheism
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000
From: "Mike @"

Hi,

I wanted to write to praise your Web site. It is possibly the most
comprehensive and well-rounded atheism site I have ever read.
I'm glad to you see you decided to take the route of laying out the
facts without blatantly attempting to antagonise. It's an excellent
resource to show my theist family members who sometimes
challenge my beliefs. (My sister married into a Catholic family,
so you can imagine.) It may not persuade them, but at least it
will give them an idea of how I, (and most atheists), think about
the topic.

Mike @
WWW me: Magnetbox.com
(An entire galaxy of useless entertainment.)

Subject:

Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000
From: "william b grant"

Would you mind haning a public debate on evolution to try to proof your believes. Please write me and let me
know . I will need to know the were abouts you live or what area you live in. I am very serious. your oponent
will be Wesly Simons from the church of christ. If you believe you have the truth about life then you want
mind proofing it in a public debate. We believe we have the truth and we dont mind proofing it. One of us is
wrong we both cant be write about this subject there isnt anyway that both of us is right. So the choice is
yours , I will be waiting to hear from you , We are ready to find out the truth about the matter.
Thank you for your time,
Bill Grant
The Church of Christ

I pointed Bill to www.talkorigins.org, who are more likely to have someone prepared to get into the circus of creationist debating.

Subject: Reponse!!
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000
From: ANDEESEE

I Love you,man!!
Jesus

Aw, that's nice.

Subject: A Response to Dan Barker's Easter Challenge.
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000
From: Chief Apologiat <chief.apologiat@apologia.com>

Hello Dan Barker, and also Steve Carr, Peter Kirby, Kyle Williams, Jeff Jay Lowder, Richard Packham and Adrian Barnett

http://www.apologia.com/easter/index.html

Your sites make some mention of the difficulties associated with the
main Christian myth. You might like to view my response to Dan Barker's
Easter challenge at the above link. It ain't much but it is the best I
can come up with. It uses Strong's translation for the most part.

Every Full Moon there should be a new file on apologia.com; next month
may possibly be a dating of the crucifixion.

Happy Adonis-rising, Osisris-rising, Oestre thingamy

David Christensen
Chief Apologist
chief.apologist@apologia.com
http://www.apologia.com

Subject: many thanks to you
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000)
From: adam west

hello there adrian i do belive it is. well i was just skimming thought the net
as i usally do each nite after working a tad bit on my own web page. i am 16
just about to turn 17 in may. i am writing you today on concern of your
page...i love it. and love it to death there of. i have only touched bace with
a few contence of your page but so far i am extemely delighted and brings a
smile to my face with your writings and knoledge. i just want you to konw what
you have up here on your site helps inspire young writers such as my self on
this and many more beliefs and oppions to encourage us to write more and more
intencely. if you wish to go to my site.....its
www.angelfire.com/oh3/adamspage not much so far but im happy with it finally.
well i should get going just though i would send ya a note telling and
thanking you for your web site..-adam west,

==
Adam Westa
PLUNX

Subject:
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000
From: "Bandit Yang"

1st question:
Are u content knowing that we are all animals?

1st statement:
I pity you.

I think that this should be short enough.
Do reply me if you have any problems understanding the question and
statement.

Thank you.

Stuck in Cyber-Space,
Bandit

Subject: free will
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000
From: C Brown

We are not compelled to do anything. Just as you have chosen to formulate and voice your own opinions, we too, have the same privilege. We do this of our own "free will." Not because we are forced to by Someone or something pulling our "strings."

We are not puppets hanging on strings. We are real people who happen to believe in a Higher Being or Power.

Because we believe that He is Omniscient, that does not mean He controls our every move of thought. We have the ability to discern right from wrong and good from evil. Making a conscious decision whether or not to act is totally up to the individual.

Hence, Omniscient (all-knowing) does not mean all-controlling as you have implied in your website. If this was not the case, God would not allow us to sin. He would "force" us to only do good things. This could be considered as controlling. However, since, He does not. We get to make our own decisions and deal with the consequences.

Thank you for time and consideration of this letter.

Subject: an interesting and funny note :)
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000
From: Jonas Feragen

you know, last time i visited one of the bookstores downtown i noticed that the bibles were placed in the "fiction" section :))

heheh! :)

Subject: Thank you
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000
From: "Andy Grain"

Thank you very much for creating and maintaining your site. I have been to
many Christian chat rooms recently. Everything they say is complete @*#!,
but everytime I try to reason with them logically, they embarass themselves
even more and think they sound intelligent. They just can't see how wrong
they are. I'm so glad to see people like you who stand up and say they're
wrong. Keep up the good work.

Subject: atheist web page
Date: Mon, 1 May 2000
From: "Rinaldo Dorman"

Dear Adrian,
I was very pleased by your pro-athiest (and not and anti-religious) web page. It certinly is refreshing to see well put together arguments that have everyday value. Keep up the good work.

Rinaldo

Subject: EXCELLENT SITE!!
Date: Sun, 7 May 2000
From: ReservoirDoggie

Hello,
I've recently stumbled on to your site and I think it is awesome!
Not to long ago, I realized that I no longer believed (or needed to)
believe in a god. I resisted and was in denial at first, but eventually
I realized the truth. I found your articles to be very entertaining and
enlightening. Please keep up the good work.
Sincerely,
Martin Rios

Subject: This is crazy!
Date: Fri, 12 May 2000
From: "Scott Stanley"

This is the most absurd thing I have ever read!!!!!!!! Where do you people come up with this crap?! What's
wrong with saying the bible is true?! Do you have any proof that it isn't?! I happen to believe in it. If the
audience is bored then they must not be paying close enough attention or maybe they should find a different
church! God does work in misterious ways. I've been there. I've witnessed it and have even been saved in
more than one way! Why do people like you feast on the words of others? Is it because you think it's cool?

Well, let me tell you something it's not! And if you think it is and you worship the devil
then the biggest joke is on you! Every time you do something like this the devil laughs at you and
thinks-"those stupid fools, just wait until they get to this place so I can laugh in their faces". What exactly
do you think is going to happen to you after life? When you die....What then? Will you burn in Hell and
regret everything you did and just wish that you had one more chance at life? If you think Hell is just one big
party or something you can be proven wrong. Hell doesn't have the pleasures of Earth. You will suffer for
everthing you did here on Earth and watch as God's face turns, because he cannot look at you with all of
your sin. Always remember that God loves you and it is never too late to except and learn about how Jesus
died for our sins and all we have to do is ask for forgivenness and we shall be forgiven...except when you are
dead and you have no voice to speak. I speak the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth so help me
God. If you have any questions or concerns I can be reached at acepal85@hotmail.com

Subject: saw your atheism page
Date: Fri, 19 May 2000
From: "Drucifer"

I don't want to be offensive, but it seems to me that you have a pretty poor idea of what God is. God is not
something that can be equated with a human form. Most religions do not have different gods, but different
names for the same thing. Only an immature mind would think that a religion is wrong and would go to hell
because their name for something totally abstract is different.
When the Bible (I don't like to quote the Bible, because it is very vague) speaks of the "word of God,"
they are talking about vibrations. Everything in the universe is made up of atoms, and all atoms are made up
of energy. This to me, is the meaning of the saying "God is everywhere." My beleifs about praying are that
it is not something that God intervenes in, but a form of "magic" where the one who is praying, if they have
the sufficient energy, influences reality to change it to their liking. This may sound crazy, but if you think
about it, everything is made up of energy, except one thing that permeates it all. Conciousness. Check into
the Schroedinger's cat theory, and read "The Self-Aware Universe," by Amit Goswami. I don't beleive
everytthing in it, but some of it does make sense. Also, I think that maybe a little DMT is enough to change
anybody's perception of reality. Thank you for your time.

Subject: Re: Hello, it's that 14 year old kidd who keeps bugging you
Date: Fri, 19 May 2000
From: HolyWarrior8

Well, actually the national geographic society has said that there is an
enourmous missing link between ape to man. JUST ENOURMOUS. That will never be
found. The theory of evolution has no berring in real life, its just like
when scientists said fusion power would work, it works on paper but in real
life, well it doesn't. Charles Darwin by the way was a jewish zionist trying
to lead all people astray from god, its a zionist plan to make people leave
there religion because w/out a god, there is no need for civilized society,
or doing anything right. Go to www.radioislam.org to find out more about this
zionist plan. You see they made people like you an athiest, and are using you
for there cause. The belive they are the chosen people and that they are the
only ones worthy of worshiping god, for all I know your a jew trying to lead
me astray. BE SAFE THEN SORRY.

sincerely,
a muslim guy

P.S. The Saudi Arabia thing well just like me they believe people like you
are a disease that need to be stopped or to be converted

P.S.S. Almost every great scientist in history was a creationist

P.S.S.S. The athiest population of the world is declining but islam is the
fastest growing

Subject: You are BRILLIANT!
Date: Mon, 22 May 2000
From: Caliban7

Adrian,

I'm sure that this is just one of many e-mails that you recieve, and its
doubtful that this will make it onto your site, but I'd just like to say that
I was quite impressed with your site. I found your essays insightful and
well-rounded, and I liked the fact that you didn't seem particularly spiteful
towards religion.
I especially liked your essay on free will being contradicted by an
omniscient God. You're absolutely right, my friend. In a way, God is
responsible for all the evil and suffering in the world. If God knew how the
world would turn out, and created it anyway, the blame is on him.

If I point a gun at you, and all I do is pull the trigger, KNOWING that the
mechanisms in the gun are going to do this and that, the gunpowder will
ignite, and the bullet will be propelled towards you and kill you, the blame
is on me. I (representing God) set these events into motion, ultimately
sending the bullet (representing humanity) to kill you. Blaming the bullet
(humanity), or the gun's mechanisms (the forces and influences in the world)
is pointless, only I (God) can be held responsible.

Keep up the good work, my friend! Hopefully you can let more people know
that religion is the wrong way for humanity to go!
-Lee

Subject: your symbol
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000
From: the unknown

hi,

maybe you have not done your research. you picked a
symbol, which is terribly close to the enzo in zen
buddhism, symbolising all the attributes for what you
may call god or the absolute.
even in christianity this symbol speaks the same
language. there is a loy of excellent literature on
the subject, if you are interested
and maybe after all it is all the same, whether you
deny god or not. it is just a mind game and your site
shows that in a wonderful way.

Subject: Your article entitled "Racism and the Theory of Evolution"
Date: 28 May 00
From: Elijah Malachias

Greetings,

In your article you state, "...there is not really such a thing as "race". We are all members of one species. The genetic differences between, say, P.W.Botha, Nelson Mandela, Louis Farrakhan and Bill Clinton are utterly insignificant."

To this point, I must respond: So what? What does that prove? I ask you this because you yourself stated earlier in your article that humans differ from apes genetically by a mere 0.5% or thereabout.

As you have admitted, there is little genetic difference between apes and homo sapiens, and yet I'm sure that even you are intelligent and honest enough to admit that in spite of this slight genetic variation, there is a heck of a lot of difference between apes and humans (well, generally speaking anyway). This fact of the merely slight genetic differentiation between apes and humans is a strong indication that the merely slight genetic differentiations between humans of different races might hold more of a punch than you are willing to acknowledge!

Think about that point for a while and you may be able to discern its significance.

By the way, Christians did not come up with that teaching about Ham being cursed with blackness. That distinction belongs solely to the ancient Jewish rabbis. For more information on this subject, visit my website at http://racialpolitics.homestead.com

If you have the time, and you are willing, let me know what you think about it via e-mail.

--Elijah

Subject: The promised response
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000
From: "Silkworm"

Hi again.
I took a day off. (Not specifically to respond to your article, though. I'm not THAT wierd!)

So here's the promised response. I go point by point, so it might be helpful for you to have a copy of the article handy so that you can easily refer to it.

No, I don't celebrate Jesus's death. I consider it a great tragedy, and it saddens me to think of it. But nothing given freely, without consequence, is truly earned.

Next, a response to your numbered points.

1. The reason it was a sacrifice is that he did not resist his wrongful
arrest and murder, going so far as to absolve the perpetrators of any blame.
"God, forgive them; they don't know what they're doing." etc. Magical
manipulation did not take place, and I find the suggestion rather ludicrous.
He was arrested and executed. Pretty common occurences, and certainly not
requiring magic to bring about. The fact that Jesus made no resistance is
the key, and the reason his actions are considered a sacrifice.

2. The manner of death does in fact make a difference. The end could not be
quick, simple, efficient, and relatively painless as you suggest. The idea
was that in order to absolve humanity for their sin, Jesus actually had to
suffer as if he himself committed these sins. Hence the incarceration,
torture, insult, humiliation, spectacle, supreme physical agony, and
psychological anguish. ("My God, why hast thou forsaken me?")

3. If God had sorted everything out during creation, we wouldn't be here.
The point of life, humanity, etc. is to learn right from wrong, good from
evil. That is the reason we were given a choice at the very beginning
(metaphorically or otherwise, it doesn't matter; the end result is the same)
and a reason we are permitted to make our own choices now. The problem is,
humans suck. Big time. Which is why we need a little help on the whole sin
thing. Enter Jesus, who suffered in our place so that we wouldn't have to.
THAT is how his death freed us from sin. It's figurative, so there are
countless interpretations, but that's the one I like.

4 & 5. Jesus was not God. He was a human. He was not a spiritual,
omnipotent being; he was flesh, blood, sweat, and balls.

6. I don't know. Does it matter what he was doing? Does it matter how long
he was dead? I don't think so, so I haven't bothered about it.

7. Stop looking at it as if Jesus Christ and God are the same thing. They
are two different entities. That eliminates the silliness of the
parentheticals on this point. As to the difference between sacrifice and
suicide, yes, there is a fine line, and I think Jesus was on the sacrifice
side of it. After all, he didn't nail himself to the cross, and did not bid
others to do so. He simply let it happen.

8. He didn't spring back to life on purpose. God ressurected him. He was
aware of the plan, certainly. But being told something without being given
empirical evidence is (as I'm sure you're aware) a bit hard to swallow.
Jesus still had to take the leap which, all things considered, was a pretty
damn big leap.

9. Again with the God-Magic. What the hell is that supposed to be? And
why on earth would someone WANT one of their best friends to betray him?
The assumptions you're making in this point are, in my opinion, far more
illogical than the assumptions I'm making.

10. I don't know.

11. I don't know.

We still get all the sermons because people are into control. And, as I
said, we are here to learn to make the right choices. We are not here to
take advantage of someone else having bailed us out. We don't sin all we
want because no matter what anyone says or does, doing nasty stuff is bad,
naughty, etc. as you yourself point out.

That doing bad stuff is morally wrong is a truism that does not care what
rationalization the perpetrators wrap around the acts. So the fact that
countless atrocities have been committed in the name of God and religion
reflects poorly on the perps, and not on the religion itself.

I can understand your denunciation of religion based on what religion leads
people to do. I've been there. However, I suggest (politely) that you do
not allow your hatred to cloud your judgement. Not all theists are
irrational. Honest.
Ethan

Ethan is responding to my crucifixion article.

Subject: published!
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000
From: "Caroline Bowen"

Dear Adrian: Your site is mentioned here in an article that appears http://members.tripod.com/Caroline_Bowen/webwords5.htm in both the print and the electronic versions of Speech Pathology Australia's clinical and professional magazine the ACQ Surprised? Best wishes: Caroline
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C a r o l i n e B o w e n PhD
Speech-Language Pathologist
website: www.slpsite.com
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Subject: (no subject)
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000
From: SweeTart511

hello,
my cousin sent me a link to your website recently because i had been sending
him some christian emails... i went to your site and looked it over, i went
to the humour section, i took a little quiz called "are you a fundementalist"
as i looked at the multiple choice answers, i thought about the people at my
church and about myself. Not all churches are like that, most, including mine
have members that act like normal people. Some of the pastors have a very
extravogent way of showing their belief in Christ, but they do mean well. I
really hope that you have not closed and deleted the email by now, because if
you have if is your loss. I'm not going to preach to you or tell you that God
loves you because that is something that you have to find out for yourself, I
am however going to tell you that in the dictionary, the definition for
atheism is: ungodlyness; wickedness (you can check, thats what it says!). I'm
know that you dont care and that you think that theism and belief in anything
is just a bunch of shit but it's not. If the Bible has been around for more
than 2000 years, dont you think there is a slight chance, if not a big chance
that the Bible is for real? I myself, dont agree with everything that the
bible has to say, but i do believe that the majority of it is true. On your
site, you post only things that say god is bad and you shouldnt believe
because it is usless... maybe its not. If you really think about it, theres
nothing to be lost from believing in a god.
thank you for you time in reading this, im sure you got nothing out of it and
think its nothing but a fuckin lie, but there are many people who think what
you say is a fuckin lie so... anyway thanks again,

Paige
Little Rock, Arkansas

I tried replying to this person, but the email bounced. No doubt a guardian angel is protecting her from people who might challenge her views....