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From: "Patrick :-\)" , 13/04/2001

Many of the arguments on this website are flawed. For
instance the cause and affect argument is flawed
deeply. The idea that God needs a cause is utterly
insane. Many atheist forget a very simple fact. God
is not a part of this world and is therefore not
subject to its laws AKA. God does not need a cause to
have an affect. We cannot see beyond this world other
than the few glimpses we are given in the bible.
Therefore for us to speculate what is out there and
why God does the things he does and how and why he
does them is beyond our comprehension. Also in the
article about the big bang the author states that God
must have started molding the earth soon after it
happened because it was chaos when it happened.
However part of the big bang theory points to the fact
that right after the big bang happened order came to
the universe and that is why we have what we have
today. The arguments go together and agree and yet
many people say that this view goes against God,
obviously there is a problem with this view(not saying
I believe that this was the way it happened just
pointing out the problem with the argument). Also if
the big bang was chaos right before how did we get
order. Order cannot come from chaos without an
outside hand. If order could come from chaos then it
would not be chaos. Also the big bang theory takes
todays science as it is and makes assumptions, and
this is not a good way to do science, if we follow the
trend then we cannot believe this view is right.
Overtime science has to refine its way of defining
laws because we do not and cannot know everything.
Just some things to think about. One other problem,
in the Noahs ark essay there were many pressupositions
that were presented that not every christian would
agree with. And the idea of wooden ships not being
able to exceed a certain length is slightly flawed.
Wooden ships are not made over certain lengths because
of a condition called hogging. Over time a wooden
ship over a certain length will bend itself out of
shape, this takes years to happen. The Ark avoided
this problem by only being at sea for 40 days.

 

 

From: "Budenovosk15 XXC1", 17/04/2001

Subject: TRUE WAY

HE IS THE LIVING ONE, THERE IS NO GOD BUT HIM. SO PRAY TO HIM, MAKING THE
RELIGION PURE FOR HIM ONLY. PRAISE BE TO ALLAH, THE LORD OF THE WORLDS.
(SURAH AL-MUMIN: 65)

SO EXALTED ALLAH IS THE KING, THE TRUE. THERE NO GOD BUT HIM; LORD OF THE
NOBLE THRONE. (SURAH AL MUMINUM: 116)

 

A compelling argument, no? I get a lot of this.

 

From: "Kristopher Yegge", 18/04/2001

Subject: great site!

Adrian Barnett,
I don't want to take up much of your time because it's better spent adding to your web page. I just thought I'd drop you a quick note of support. I'm a senior philosophy major at California State University, Chico and I was fortunate enough to come across your site this afternoon. With so much trash on the web these days, I just wanted to thank you for such insightful and thorough discussions on the issues. You're doing a great service for us all. I'm forwarding your address to most of my professors.
Don't get frustrated, some of us are thinking.
See you in hell! :)
A fellow atheist,
Kristopher Yegge

 

From: "Jeff Ourun" , 24/04/2001 07:28

Subject: I LOVE YOU!

Hey, hahaha, whats up, your website was good. the thing is I almost believed
what you said but than at the last part you identify some aspects that
linked to the Devil such as your email addy. Thats really scary my friend,
if only you acted normal like all christian than we will listen. I mean no
one(normal people) well get themselves hooked up with the devil. and that
means no one will listen to you since your with the Devil. So try to be
smart like the Devil or is He. Hahah. As humans we always look for the best.
So even though theres no true God, like you said Hahaha, but at least we
have soemthing to guide us to perfection other than listening to the old
multi-loser Devil called Satan haha. His good in fooling himself haah. I
love that ugly creature eventhough his my greatest enemy but he just doesn't
get it so thts why i consider Him as a, well, Shitty-trash #%@*&^ hehe, hope
his listening. hey i sin alot believe me but the devil never posses me. i'm
still a person. So as for you, i think you should reconsider your current
life and get a life haha. All i can say is, if your a female, don't give
yourself to the Devil but me baby at least. At least you have me baby, a man
with diginity and care. So pls email me back if your a female if not a
female than forget it boy. Thank you for your consideration and pls get your
IQ a little higher. I love you baby ( if male than YUK! hehe) nah, I love
all humans, so there, I LOVE YOU.... hehe BYE and Take care.....

 

Whuh?

 

From: John Donahoe , 26/04/2001

Subject: truth or fiction

hey i want to say first off that i skimmed over urr crucifiction essay. and
it seemed to me that uu have only inspected the things uu want to hear so
that uu can support urr fragile beliefs or disbeliefs. i didnt notice any
refrences from any bible scholars or professors on the subject . uu seem to
have made the discussion fair uu know like checking everything out reading
the bible and stuff. but did uu research any christian essays from any
biblical professors or anything. i dont know it just seemed kinda halfway
done as far as the being fair thing goes . or maybe uu werent trying to be
fair. like i said i realy just skimmed over it so dont think im attacking uu
or anything i just wanted to know. but i can tell uu some answers to urr
questions.i noticed this question >>How was this a selfless sacrifice? He
was marched up the hill by a bunch of heavily armed centurions. Was he
really saying things like "No, it's okay, I want to do this. It's part of
The Plan, you see."?

my answer.. jesus was afraid of what was about to happen when he went to the
garden to pray. the werd says that he sweated drops of blood. that sounds
pretty stressed to me . Yes he could have stopped it all he was God in the
flesh or the son of God. the bible says he could have spoke it and ten
legions of angels would have been at his side . i dont remember if it was
ten. but legion is a group of a thousand. even one legion would have been
enough. and the last thing he prayed was ' if so let this cup pass from me.
but let not my will but your will be done'... not verbatum but enough to
paint the picture. he didnt want to except that task but he did it because
he gave authority over his will of life to his father God.

next>>Maybe it somehow was a selfless sacrifice. In this case, why was it
necessary for Jesus to be killed by the state? Why not just say to his
disciples "Well guys, it's time to say Goodbye." and throw himself under the
nearest chariot? Death is death. Did the manner in which Christ died
actually make any difference?

well i dont really know if it was necessary for the state to do it but i
guess i could say that god didnt choose it to be that so i guess not but
that was the way he knew man was going to handle it. and the bible says that
they would sley the lamb of god. so it was to show the destruction of
innocence and in the same question why did jesus be born to a jewish
carpenter and his young wife in the ghetto of bethlahem in a horse trough.
why not to a king or a tax collector or a respected pillar of society. so i
guess thats all i got fer now.

i guess that answers the next one also>>It has never been adequately
explained how this death freed us all from sin. If the death freed us from
the consequences of sin (hell, or eternal oblivion), it is still unclear as
to why it had to happen in this particular way. Why didn't God just sort it
all out during Creation?

well i know that the bible said that god never changes he was the same as he
was when he punnished his children. so we can then move to say that jesus
was here to say the only way for sin to be forgiven is for blood to be shed
i love them so i will shed my blood. which in actuality was god saying that
because it was his son. god sent himself through his son. jesus was our
advocate our lawyer in the judgment of eternal life. imagine a group of
people . a gap . and on the otherside god. now the gap is our own sin.the
people are us. the only way to get to Him is to bridge the gap. god wanted
us to be with him thats why he created us. so he sent his son to build the
gap. the chinese have an almost good veiw of life, the yinyang. the balance
between good and evil.. the part i want to use is that if there is good then
there is evil. if there is no temptation how do uu love. if we were married
and i was tempted by something that uu didnt want me to do, and i sacrificed
it for uu then that would measure my love for uu.

i dont know alot about that question but i'll pray and ask some people about
it . someone has to know right . well im sorry if i offended uu about
anything. but i just wanted to see what uu thought about this. like jesus
also said ,' i did not come to this world to bring peace but a sword.'
hopefully i'll type with uu again. john

 

From: "Shaun Hurrie", 28/04/2001 09:18

Subject: Nice Webpage?!

Hello,

Just a brief note on your site. I enjoyed perusing through it - you have an interesting
worldview.

I'm sure you recognise the following excerpt:Creationists are happy to accept any
scientific data that supports (or at least appears to support) their theory, whether it
comes from fellow creationists or from the scientific establishment. Where their theory
is not supported, or even flatly contradicted by "standard" science, they fall back on
faith, ad hoc hypotheses, conspiracy theories, misrepresentations of science or even
outright lies.

Correct me if I'm wrong: Science means 'knowledge'. Science is completely separate from
the belief system of the scientist. Unfortunately, your atheistic/materialistic
worldview filters through very obviously, hence interpreting the unbiased data through
your presupposed specs. Science doesn't mean naturalism. I agree that the religious
implications of any model should be excluded from science education.....but this
doesn't mean that science is atheistic and requires a belief that: Nobody*Nothing =
everything.

Either you hold to faith in chance and evolution or in God and creation. They are both
belief systems, into which the data can be circumstantially placed - but not proven
empirically. Evolutionary thinking is, in fact, the basis of more religions than
creationism. Your attempted arguments to question an omnipotent God reveal human
thinking at it's most foolish. Just because you have no answers to your questions,
doesn't mean there aren't any - although arrogant evolutionists typically think
otherwise. Science doesn't have the answer to all questions - though I believe it is a
method that is consistent with reason and sound logic. In fact, the first scientists
were creationists - Isaac Newton for example.

Anyway, I'm not here to judge you (that is God's perogative), but please keep your
philosophy's separate from your presentation of the empirically verifiable data.

Also, please stop referring to a book (the bible) that you don't believe in or submit
to.....perhaps you use it because the truth hurts your chances of finding all the
answers by yourself - Good luck!!

Regards,
Shaun. (South Africa.)


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Romans 8v1: There is now no condemnation to those
who are in Christ Jesus, who are not called according
to the flesh but according to the Spirit.

If you are living as if there is no God, then you had better be right!

The proof of the Christian God is that, without Him, it is impossible to prove anything.

 

 

From: Oxy104

Subject: Something weird you refer to : ) Weirder than you think : )

"It's funny, but I've never heard of a Christian saying to a Hindu "Ah, but
you really do believe in Jesus Christ, you're just in denial. When are you
going to stop pretending? All this worship of Vishnu is just rebelling
against what you know in your heart is true!""

Actually, that is a pretty good description of some of the theory one comes
across in Catholic circles. The idea being, that everyone < tries hard to
stop busting a gut laughing > is "really" a Christian, even without knowing
it. It's a theory associated with the late Karl Rahner S.J., and is called
"Anonymous Christianity". It is, of course, rubbish. (In Catholic terms it
makes no sense anyway - but it would not be polite to bore you with the
details. This is *not* a religious site - I thought you might be interested,
that's all.
Muslims have a similar idea BTW - that all of us are born Muslim.

All of which go to show that some Christians, supposedly intelligent, are
capable of being absurdly gullible. Christianity is so utterly anti-rational,
so immoral, so ill-founded, that I cannot understand how anyone can possibly
swallow it. I can see no difference between the Old Testament Israelites and
the Nazis - the OT should be banned, IMHO.

 

From: "Budenovosk15 XXC1" , Sat 18:15

Subject: THE TREMENDOUS THRONE (HEAVEN)

ALLAH THERE IS NO GOD BUT HIM, LORD OF THE TREMENDOUS THRONE. (SURAH AL NAML: 26)

Allahuekber

 

 

From: Dbldudes, 16/5/01

this is david' friend Joey I know you have had battles the one i got was
10/3/00 and i am fed up with you and your *Sites* i hate the way you
critisize religions just for kicks i am not super religious but i do not like
people making fun of my religion odviously you have some Past hates we the
Americans helped you win ww1 and ww2 we don't apreciate people like you
critisizing us or our religion i am peacefull i accept people no matter who
they are but this is just un called for i hate you and i hope you burn in
[expletive deleted] hell no my parents have no idea i am saying this but if they did i
would probibly not get in that much trouble you suck i am 13 and so far you
are the slimiest person i have ever known.

Joey

 

Another one who needs to pray for lessons in punctuation.

 

 

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